October 25, 2007

Fighting over the conveyance tax

During the past three and a half years, the city has raked in more than $5 million in extra cash from a conveyance tax surcharge that officials reluctantly imposed.
There’s been no effort to repeal it because politicians and finance officials alike are thrilled to have another solid revenue stream that helps them pay for municipal services without hiking property taxes.
But Republican mayoral hopeful Ken Johnson said he would dump the extra tax, a move some real estate experts strongly endorse.
"I will do away with the higher tax," Johnson said, adding that it imposes too high a burden when property trades hands.
City Comptroller Glenn Klocko said, though, that “giving that money back is really an unnecessary and irrational move on the city’s part.”
“The conveyance tax is a very helpful tax for the city,” Klocko said Thursday. “It’s probably one of the most helpful taxes the state has granted to the city.”
Democratic mayoral candidate Art Ward, who voted along with the rest of the City Council to adopt the tax in 2004, said it brings in necessary revenue to fund one-time projects and equipment purchases.
Ward said the money is used for one-time items so it's not built into the city’s yearly spending plan. It just lessens burden on taxpayers, he said.
“It certainly helps us when we make our budget,” city Finance Chairman Rich Miecznikowski said Thursday. “It’s extra revenue that really helps offset rising costs.”
City financial records show that Bristol has collected $1.6 million annually from the extra tax. This year, it’s on track to make at least as much.
Klocko said that the money pays for major purchases, but most of it winds up as end-of-the-year surplus cash that helps ensure the rainy day fund remains secure.
A state law allows “distressed municipalities,” which include Bristol, the chance to impose an extra .25 percent tax on all real estate sales, an option that city officials initially declined but later decided to snatch up.
Because of the extra surcharge, the city’s share of the conveyance tax on a $100,000 transaction would be $250. That’s $140 more than it would get if it used the same tax rate that non-distressed municipalities are allowed to impose.
It adds up to big money. This year alone, Klocko said, the city collected $460,000 in the first quarter of its fiscal year.
Despite the revenues pouring into city coffers, Bristol Realtor Bob Fiorito said that he strongly agrees with Johnson’s position.
“The conveyance tax is a regressive tax paid by homeowners,” said Fiorito, a former president of the Connecticut Realtors Association.
Because it’s based on sale price, he said, it poses a real difficulty for many sellers now in a tough market when many sellers are facing “a lot of hardships” already as they deal with foreclosures, interest rate hikes and other difficulties.
“It’s not about Realtors. It doesn’t affect us at all,” Fiorito said.
Miecznikowski said that he recognizes the extra charge poses a burden to property sellers, but he has never personally heard a complaint about it.
Fiorito said that the state gave distressed municipalities the option of collecting extra conveyance taxes during a budget crisis that is now over.
“The reason for the conveyance tax to be increased to the detriment of homeowners is now gone,” Fiorito said. “And the tax should be allowed to sunset as it was supposed to Fiorito called it “a dubious honor” for Bristol to embrace the distressed town status that allows it to charge more.
“We’re trying to attract people to this town. It’s just a bad idea,” he said.
Johnson said he doesn’t want Bristol to advertise itself as a distressed community.
He said that part of marketing the city to prospective businesses and others is to showcase its strengths rather than grabbing more taxes by lumping itself in with places such as Hartford and New Britain.

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26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sure Ken take away that too! Shift the shortage onto the taxpayers. If someone wants to buy a house, the amount of conv. tax will not break them. You need to get a handle on how city government works before running for Mayor.

Anonymous said...

Of course Johnson doesn't want the conveyance tax. It hurts his commission when he sells a piece of property.

Very selfish Ken.

Anonymous said...

Goes to show you what you clowns actually know. Ken Johnson runs A Buyers Market. He only deals with Buyers he does'nt sell houses.

When you liberals type in crap on this blog, just be honest. I know its a difficult task for you but the public doesn't need to sort out your garbage.

Anonymous said...

The conveyance tax has nothing to do with a real estate agent's comission.

The conveyance tax is paid by the buyer of the property and has nothing to do with the agents involved in the transactions.

Furhtermore, the conveyance tax is NOT just a tax on homeowners buying within the city, it also deals with real estate transactions for businesses also.

Last night, Ken mentioned the fact that we charge MORE than the going rate for the conveyance tax and the reason for that is that the current leadership of our city has us classified as a "distressed municipalities".

Ken stated last night "I will do away with the higher tax".

He did not state he wanted to get rid of the entire conveyance tax, just the additional tax gained by being listed as a "distress municipalities".

He stated that being listed as a "distressed municipalities" hinders our ability as a city to attract new businesses and new home owners in the city, which creates economic development.

Economic development, ultimately helps with our tax base and the taxes we all pay as citizens of Bristol.

In my honest opinion, prudent control of spending and increasing our tax base through economic development as Ken spoke about last night, is the way to go for the future of our City.

I would encourage "anonymous" posters to the blog to get their information correct before throwing their stones at Ken.

Steve Collins said...

The city can't do away with the conveyance tax, of course. The entire discussion is about the extra conveyance tax the city charges. Everyone should understand that.
But that's where that $1.6 million annually comes from.
Johnson hasn't said anything about how he would replace all that money.

Steve Collins said...

Southington is a distressed municipality, too, and it's having no trouble attracting new businesses. It imposes the extra conveyance tax as well.

Anonymous said...

Southington also has the interstate highways running thru it and that is where you are seeing the development.

Anonymous said...

1.6 million Ken how do you replace those funds?I give you credit. Sounds to me you should think before you open your mouth, your smarter than that.

Anonymous said...

Actually Bob the Seller pays the conveyance tax.

Anonymous said...

We ahve elderly who cannot afford to live in thier homes and they are selling, and at the closing table the city whacks them from an additional 1-2K to support Ward and Stortz spending habits.

Even worse a family member dies, the heirs sell the house, they get hit for the estate tax and then we hit them again when they go to sell the assest.

And we do this because its no big deal according to Stortz, Ward and Nicastro.

Anonymous said...

The General Assembly allowed this tax increase to go into effect for "distressed municipalities."

Is that how we really want to market the city?

Welcome to the Mum City or should we the the distress Mum City.

After this, its no wonder Ward and Rosenthal cannot market the Southeast Industrial Park.

Anonymous said...

This administration, the Couture administration, the Nicastro administration did not classify us as distressed: that is a designation placed on us, and other municipalities, by the state.
It makes us eligible for funding so that we can steps to improve certain conditions so as to not be distressed. It is a way of using state tax dollars to help the more needy communities, and it helps us in more ways that just the increased conveyance tax.
I think thta maybe we should use some of that money to give all citizens, or at least all users of the blog sites, lessons in government 101, especially local government. Seems like it would be appropriate.

Anonymous said...

to Anonymous at 10:17p

Thanks for the correction.

Anonymous said...

Again Johnson and Boudreau whine but provide no solution to make up these dollars if the Conveyance tax is eliminated - sure seems as though "putting Bristol first" is "coming in last."

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 8:35am

First, let me state, I am NOT running for office, so I'm not the one that has to have all the answers to people's questions.

Second, I am not whining about this is issue. My post, if you will read it again is attempting to correct the mis-conception that some people on the blog have about the conveyance tax coming out of the real estate agent's commissions (see anonymous post on 10/25 at 11:25a)

Third; the conveyance tax can not be fully eliminated anyway. Johnson did NOT say on Wednesday that he was seeking the elimination of the entire tax. As I was also trying to express previously, Johnson said that the city should forgo the EXTRA tax we charge by being designated a "distressed muni."

Forth, the conveyance tax is used for one-time projects and equipment purchases and is not considered part of the regular City budget. The suggestion is to eliminate the .25% EXTRA that the City is charging, if the Citizens of Bristol are concerned about the loss of this revenue stream, maybe we should consider more prudent spending measures and less reliance on this EXTRA money for one-time projects and equipment purchases.

In closing...rather than remain anonymous and just complain or toss hateful comments as so many on here do, I would suggest that you make some constructive commentary to make our City a better place for all of us.

Trashing one candidate or the other with hateful, nasty comments doesn't get anything accomplished.

Standing up and being counted for your statements by signing your name and making constructive comments.... means a whole lot more in my book than the heresay, gossip and nastiness.

Anonymous said...

And to the Elderly: how much does Johnson get as a commission?

Do seniors get different rates?

Anonymous said...

Poster at 12:58:

Johnson doesn't sell house he only buys them. Do your homework moron

Anonymous said...

4:43

How many does he now own?
What does do with those he buys?

Please explain.

Anonymous said...

Ken Johnson does sell houses. At this time he curently has three active listings. 63 Vance Rd. Bristol, 5 Crest Dr. ($339,000) and 22 Beach Rd. Terryville. To say he works with buyers only is false. IN FACT he has had 47 listings since 11/05.

Anonymous said...

How many businesses or offices does he have?
Doe he own ASELLERS Market too?

Anonymous said...

To the 11:14 Poster,
The business is called Properties Plus. Home of the $500 listing.
Ken has taken thus approach to help the seller. He charges a $500.00 fee to list the house and advertise it on the MLS. When the home sells the seller puts all of the money in his or her pocket, Ken makes no additional from the sale! So now what have you got to say!

Anonymous said...

to a recent client of Mr. Johnson's.....You get what you pay for! I hope everything went well for you and nothing comes back to bite you several years down the road.

Anonymous said...

3:03 pm poster, you and 11:14 poster are probably the same person and I suspect that you are Real Estate agents that have your panties in a bunch for some reason or another! What is your problem, this is a service that was devised to help a homebuyer so that they can walk away without paying a large commission. Get over yourself, what do you know besides nothing. Why are you involved in this discussion, what is YOUR agenda, why dont you run for mayor so people can try and make you look foolish and dredge up dirty laundy that is irrelevant to anything! JUST CURIOUS

Anonymous said...

To the last poster.....I am NOT a real estate agent but I am smart enough to know that selling a home is a very serious LEGAL transaction. I would prefer to be represented by a real estate agent from the beginning to the end of the transaction. If something goes wrong I have someone to blame other than myself. Personally I think the "large" commission is well worth the peace of mind. I'm glad your transaction worked for you....for many others it does not.

Anonymous said...

If you paid $500.00 to have it listed in MLS you got ripped off! Many agents will do it for $250.00.

Anonymous said...

I thought the name of his business was A buyers market.

Doe he have more than one business?
Where is his office?

In Bristol?