April 1, 2008

New schools could be open in 2011

In the most optimistic scenario, the two new schools sought by the Board of Education could be open when school begins late in the summer of 2011, officials say.
Perhaps most surprising, though, is that the worst case scenario calls for the pair of 900-student, kindergarten to eighth grade schools to be ready in 2012.
That would mean, for example, that third graders at Greene-Hills School today could wind up going to a new school next door when they hit sixth grade instead of getting bused to Memorial Boulevard Middle School.
Mayor Art Ward said he’s beginning negotiations this week to purchase the former Crowley dealership next door to Greene-Hills for use as a school site.
Negotiations for the other proposed site, a sand pit off Barlow Street in the western part of town, haven’t yet begun, officials.
William Smyth, the assistant school superintendent for business, said that architects for the two projects – which may be rolled into one big project – will likely be hired this spring. They’ll need about a year to finish detailed plans, he said.
Assuming the plans are done in the spring of 2009, Smyth said, the state would review them and construction bids would likely be sought in the summer of 2009.
It will take two years to build the schools, Smyth said, which means a 2011 opening at the start of the school year is possible.
Smyth said the worst case scenario envisions the schools opening the following year.
However, there is at least one potential hitch.
City Councilor Frank Nicastro, who chairs the city’s Real Estate Committee, said that when the school building committees are finished negotiating the purchase price with the owners of the land eyed for the new schools, his panel has to approve the deals.
Since two of the three members of the real estate committee – Nicastro and city Councilor Mike Rimcoski – voted against putting a school on the Scalia Construction site off Barlow Street, convincing it to back the purchase might be difficult.
It’s unclear whether the real estate panel can block the entire project over the long haul, but as long as Ward doesn’t shuffle its membership, it might have the capacity to delay or derail the entire plan.
The school board is looking to open the two new schools and close four older ones. Memorial Boulevard and three primary schools – Bingham, O’Connell and Greene-Hills – would be shuttered if the plan goes through as envisioned.
A massive, citywide redistricting would be necessary to fill the remaining schools properly, with about half the city’s middle school students in a K-8 setting and the rest continuing with the existing system at Chippens Hill and Northeast middle schools.


Appraisal for Scalia site
A secret appraisal done in January pegs the value of the 36-acre property eyed for a school on Barlow Street at $1.5 million.
The Aldieri Associates appraisal said the site is “conducive to a variety of potential developments,” including perhaps housing.
The Press obtained a copy of the appraisal from a confidential source after the Board of Education refused to allow inspection of the pricing reports done on both of the sites eyed for potential schools in Bristol. Appraisals are exempt under state open government laws when they’re used for real estate negotiations.
City officials speaking on background have said they suspect the city may wind up paying more than $1.5 million for the Scalia site.
The property is zoned R-15, according to the report, sand could be carved up for single family homes with a minimum lot size of 15,000 square feet, according to the appraisal.
Using the $1.5 million estimate for the land’s value, that would make each lot worth about $22,000.
Michael Aldieri, who wrote the Jan. 14 report, said in it that “given the physical features of these lots, they have an even lower unit value,” which would tend to undermine arguments for a higher price.
The city appraised the market value of the land at $796,600 last fall as part of its revaluation.
The Aldieri appraisal says the highest and best use of the land is for residential construction. It says about 51 lots could be put on the site.
The best alternative uses are for a school or recreational fields, the report says.
The report says the area has been excavated of sand and gravel for years and all of the minerals that are allowed to be mined have been removed.
By the way, if anyone has the Forestville site appraisal, I'd like to see it, too!

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Contact Steve Collins at scollins@bristolpress.com

31 comments:

Gerontius said...

Someone should remind Councilman Nicastro that the entire City Council was seated at the infamous "scripted" meeting of the Ordinance Committee (chaired by then-City Councilwoman Ellen Zoppo). If he tries to play Horatio on the bridge, the council will outflank him.

Anonymous said...

NEVER HAPPEN. BY THE WAY WHAT ARE THE COST ON THE LAND.

Steve Collins said...

There's a whole story there on the cost of the land. The appraisal for the Scalia site is $1.5 million. What the city will have to pay, who knows? The Forestville land is more valuable, I'm told, but I don't know what it is appraised for.

Anonymous said...

We the citizens, held in the dark once again.

Anonymous said...

If these greedy owners try and gouge the city for significantly more than the land is worth, which is what appears to be the case, the city should end negotiations and pursue an Eminent Domain acquisition instead. Since this property would be for public schools, there can be no legal argument against it.

Anonymous said...

nice lets build 2 new schools

School #1 on an old car lot that will need a lot of cleaning up.

School #2 is going on a old sand lot. GEE I'm getting a sinking feeling on this one !!!

Then we'll bus ALL students.

I don't see the logic in this ??

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is why is the taxpayer of the City of Bristol being forced to come up with millions of dollars to buy these two parcels of land. Over the years haven't we made millionaires out of Crowley and Scalia. I say they donate the land and name the schools after them.

Odin said...

"I don't see the logic in this ??"

Yeah, and that's why you aren't on the committee. People with some vision and common sense are on the committee.

Anonymous said...

The scripted meeting got us the downtown panel and they are doing their job so there is something to be said for that, and maybe Nicastro should take a lesson and stop looking into the mirror and do some real work for once

Anonymous said...

home schooling sounds better and better

Anonymous said...

2:21PM:The meeting you refer to was in relation to the creation of the BDDC(downtown non profit corporation).I don't believe the School Building Cmtes. were on the agenda.I don't get the connection between that meeting and what the Real Estate Cmte. might do with the chosen sites for the new schools.

Anonymous said...

School #1 on an old car lot that will need a lot of cleaning up.
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Hey ...... They built the chippens hill school on top of a dump site w/o cleaning it up first , so why should they have to clean the contamination from the crowley site before they build a school there ??

Anonymous said...

Once again the taxpayers will have to pay for new schools we didn't even get to vote on!!!

Anonymous said...

FRANK NICASTRO IS ALL FOR TAKING SOMEONES LAND HE IS A PRO AT IT . JUST LIKE HE TAKES ALL THE PENSION MONEY FOR HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY .

Anonymous said...

well, first let me hand it to anonymous for venting with no thought put into his words,as usual. in yesterdays press there was a good story about the scalia land which said all the stuff that could be mined has already been removed. there is no mining question. also the comments on the sound off section should not be anonymous because the same story directly refuted those comments!
sinking feeling? you are a moron! this is my real name

Anonymous said...

I guess if the schools are coming I would like to here some in depth news coverage on the methods to be used in these new schools that are going to improve test scores. If our schools are models that other school districts now, I want to see what wonderful things that have been or are being developed to go in these new schools that we are told we have no other choice to use. These plans usually take years to develop.

Anonymous said...

April 3, 2008 7:52 AM

Scalia has been buying houses on top of that hill for decades and moving them so the mining could continue .

There are still plenty of homes up there to be moved so the mining could very well continue until my great grand children would graduate .

Anonymous said...

Odin, you'll have all your victims in one building (to sell crack to).

Odin said...

You don't really want to know what the plans are. You just want to badmouth Bristol. If you really wanted to know why the State of CT considers Bristol a model for urban schools, you'd go to their website and find out. But you won't.

Anonymous said...

Compare the demographics of Bristol to other "urban" areas before you start citing "The State of Connecticut".

Are you speaking of the state BOE, the one Beverly Bobroske is a member of? What was it you called her?

Odin, go back to class the bell rang.

Anonymous said...

Many of us have gone to the web site and the answers are not there on the METHOD of how the new schools are going to be run. It just informs us about keeping students in the same building for 9years in smaller groups of larger class sizes.

Some of us aren't out there to put down everything everyone says, but are looking for real information to better this place. We go to meetings, follow the news, and do our own research. Some of us are involved in our community. We volunteer at schools(and are thanked by teachers and principals for doing so) and help neighbors to make this a better place. By being involved is how we see the problems and try to fix or avoid them, rather then just complain or spend money and hope someone else is looking at the details.

I went and read the information collected at at the BOE about the proposed new schools. If you had read it you would know that there are different methods followed by k-8 schools to make them work. My question was I have not yet heard which one Bristol has chosen or how it will fit into our school system. Meetings I have attended I told how it often takes years to update the curriculum alone.

It has been in the news how Hartford has picked unsuccessful method combinations at the cost of the state tax payers and the students involved. Why would anyone not want to avoid a problem like that?

Anonymous said...

Big Mouth Nicastro made a ruckus over the environmental study for Crowley, but when it was available to him, he all of a sudden grew quiet.

What happened Frank, did you find out that there was no significant problems but are not man enough to admit it?

Go blow your horn somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

( Yawn)

Anonymous said...

April 4, 2008 3:45 PM
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Having worked as a test bore driller in the past ..... Let's just say a $50 bill for beers after work will get you the test results you want .
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You just gotta love the unions ....

Anonymous said...

Our politicians are making a lot of promises to better Bristol. With all the money they intend to spend I find it very selfish that they they say there is no money to fill the ponds for the kids for the fishing derby. Thought our city prides itself on our future kids. Get real you politicans and do what has been done for years.

Anonymous said...

Why aren't these new schools being voted on by the people through a referendum?

Anonymous said...

don't fret over any decisions made up to now, things won't be as they seem today because tomorrow Minor will change his mind again and again and again and again and agai and aga and ag and a and...........

Odin said...

"Why aren't these new schools being voted on by the people through a referendum?"

Because by city charter (Section 50 - Initiative and Removal), the only way a question like this can be put to the voters is for someone to submit a petition signed by 10% of the voters. That's a LOT of signatures. The Republicans tried to do this a couple years ago but screwed it up. The city council cannot just say "let's put this to a vote". It would not be legal. That sucks, but that's the way it is. There was a charter revision commission a few years ago that tried to fix this but gave up because, due to some state law that I don't remember, it got too complicated.

Anonymous said...

Where's Frankie ???

Cat got his tongue???

Anonymous said...

Thank God for Craig Minor

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a few on here would like to sell the property themselves so they can collect the 6% commission .