Reporter Jackie Majerus filed these stories about Monday's razzle-dazzle effort to showcase the mall property and Bristol:
New Haven architects who showed up for the city's overview session and tour of the rubble-filled mall site said they came away impressed with the enthusiasm of Bristol's leaders.
"It's an exciting project," said George Buchanan, who said he will be teaming up with other architects and New York developer Ben Zitron to produce a proposal for the 17-acre, city-owned mall property.
Buchanan said there isn't anything that brings downtown together.
"The downtown of Bristol should really become a destination," said Buchanan, "so people will want to live here, play here, eat here and work."
Buchanan said he thinks it can happen. He said he's been looking at the project for years, having spoken with former city officials when the project had a different shape.
"We've been here a couple times," said Buchanan, who said "a great deal" has been done on the project since he was first involved.
Edward Mitchell, an architect who is working with Buchanan, said "the kind of enthusiasm of the people who run the town" is a bonus in a project like this.
They said the tour was a plus.
"It's important to see the layout of the whole town," said Mitchell.
Both Mitchell and Buchanan said they liked how all the city officials seemed to be working together and excited about the prospects for the property.
Buchanan said he was impressed by the re-use of the former General Motors plant on Chippens Hill.
"The economic development really looks very, very strong," said Buchanan, "more than the other towns we've seen."
The five firms that checked in at the meeting Monday – there may have been others represented that didn't register – came from as close as Cheshire and as far away as California: ORIS Inc. of Cheshire, Buchanan Architects of New Haven, Breslin Realty Development of Garden City, N.Y., The Community Builders of Springfield, Mass., and Cielo Group of Glendale, Calif.
Taking the bus to show off Bristol
City leaders made their case to potential developers of the downtown mall property Monday, reviewing the project and taking the visitors on a tour around town.
Frank Johnson, chairman of the Bristol Downtown Development Corp., acted as tour guide as a handful of prospective developers, city officials and a few others went riding around on the Datco bus.
Johnson said he wanted to show off "a number of things that no other municipality in the country can claim."
As the bus rumbled though the dreary drizzle, Johnson and other officials on the bus pointed out a number of businesses, city buildings and landmarks.
In the downtown area, that included the nearly empty Bristol Armory and the empty lot that once was the site of the historic Mamatseos building on North Street.
"We were told it couldn't be saved," Johnson said, adding that the lot was for sale.
After leaving downtown, the bus headed for Chippens Hill to show off the neighborhoods and the former General Motors factory that is now a business park. The former Roberts property got a mention, but the Chippens Hill Middle School did not.
From there, the tour took riders along Route 6, from Burlington Avenue to Tunxis Community College in Farmington, with Johnson bragging about the new development all along the corridor and the recent upgrades at the various shopping centers.
"Route 6 has developed as the retail strip within the city," said Dick Harrall, executive director of the BDDC. "There's probably nothing that isn't here."
Though Johnson noted the presence of Lake Compounce and the Giamatti Little League complex, the bus didn't pass either attraction.
Riders did get to see and hear about the Clarion, the city's only hotel, the Otis Elevator testing tower, the Covanta incinerator, Theis Precision Steel, the site of the future industrial park on Middle Street and construction on the Route 72 project – and heard about how the highway has been in the works for about 40 years.
The bus also drove past ESPN, as Johnson sung the praises of the city's largest taxpayer and employer.
Johnson said there had been hopes in the past that ESPN would be part of the city's downtown redevelopment, but that it didn't work out.
"The local expectations didn't match what the corporate willingness was," said Johnson. But he urged developers to "look into" the possibility of working with ESPN on something.
The bus did not pass the newly expanded Bristol Public Library, any of the city's high schools, the New England Carousel Museum or the Bristol Historical Society. The only park that was pointed out was Stocks Playground on Middle Street.
Before heading back to City Hall, the tour took a spin through Federal Hill and Johnson pointed out Bristol Hospital and the American Clock and Watch Museum.
Johnson, who had been offering tidbits of local history throughout the tour, said the clock museum was a natural for town that had made so many timepieces.
"If you have any interest in horology, this is the city for you," said Johnson. Then he cracked, "Not the Elliot Spitzer [kind.] This is the kind related to clocks."
The tour lasted about an hour and started with the mall property itself, which the BDDC has christened "Depot Square."
City Purchasing Agent Roger Rousseau said there is a crushing operation now active on the site that will take care of some of the rubble. As the demolition is completed, Rousseau said the city will move the fence to make more of the parking lot available again for "farmers markets and the like."
Pointing out the remaining streetscape on Main Street across from the mall site, Johnson said, "That's the scale and mass we're looking for."
Johnson said the city wants to replicate the new streetscape from North Main Street onto Main Street.
The old Sherwin Williams Paints store is part of the parcel and will be torn down, said Johnson.
He said the McDonalds Restaurant and Dunkin' Donuts on opposite ends of the property are privately owned. The owners and the corporations have said they want to remain on the site, said Johnson, but are open to building modern new restaurants.
The Bristol Discount Food Outlet, said Johnson, can be empty with just a 90-day notice. He said a downtown grocery store is desirable, but said the city can't expect anyone to match "anywhere near" the $5 per square foot that the discount store is paying for rent.
Though Johnson said that the discount Aldi chain has a presence in some downtown developments, he said, "We certainly would be receptive to a more upscale store."
At City Hall before the tour, officials spoke about the mall site's past and about the vision for the future.
"The city's been thinking about this site and the downtown for quite awhile," said Harrall.
Harrall said Bristol and the surrounding towns offer "a lot of population" and "a lot of spending power."
Johnson said Bristol is "really a nucleus" of activity for the area. He said he hopes that "downtown Bristol will become a destination location."
Johnson and Harrall said they've been listening to what residents, business owners and city officials have had to say about the parcel.
"We all understand what the people in the community want," said Johnson.
BDDC board member John Lodovico told developers that the mall site is "a diamond in the rough."
"It's a very, very exciting time for Bristol," said Lodovico.
Mayor Art Ward said many of Bristol's leaders remember when the mall went up four decades ago.
Officials at the time, said Ward, "thought what they were doing was a positive step."
Ward cautioned the prospective developers in the room, "Once you start, you have to know where you're going."
Rousseau, whose office is handling the bidding process for the BDDC, said the deadline for submissions is 3 p.m. on May 30.
"We will have a selection," said Rousseau, "by July."
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Contact Steve Collins at scollins@bristolpress.com
41 comments:
Before all the naysayers chime in.
This is good for Bristol.
Can we leave it at that?
Focus on the positive!
GO BRISTOL!!!!
Geee ..... I hope the two or three 'investors' don't get scared off just because while they were being schmoozed by the city leaders , a body drop was occuring close to their travel route .
Congratulations 3:07, you're the first one to start the pointless negativity on this particular topic! Would it kill you to just try and keep the optimism flowing for just a little while? Some of us actually LIKE where we live and are starting to feel optimistic about Bristol's future...Why do you feel the need to pee on our parade?
April 1, 2008 3:07 PM
Not even three comments in before someone had to go negative.
By the way "the body drop" comment takes this blog to a new low. This was a human being that was someones close family member. Have some respect. A family is grieving and your comment is way out of line. Imagine if this "body drop" as you call is was someone close to you.
3:07
The body drop you describe had a name - MaryEllen Welsh.
How do you sleep at night?
DID THEY LIKE WHAT THEY SAW WERE THEY IMPRESSED WITH THE GUIDES HOW ABOUT THE STREET TRASH HANGING AROUND. DID THEY SEE HOW GOOD DUNKIN DONUTS IS GUARDED.WITH AT LEAST THREE CRUISERS OR MORE. DID THEY GET TO MEET ANY OF OUR DEPT HEADS. THAT WOULD KILL ANY DEAL.
WHATS GOOD FOR BRISTOL IS GETTING SOME REEL PROFESIONALS TO RUN IT.
Ohhhh, so that is why I didn't see any shopping carts hanging around town yesterday. They must have had a special clean up for the big show!! Afterall they say first impressions last a lifetime
..."Whats good for Bristol is getting some reel profesionals to run it." ... Huh?
I guess we should consider the source...not exactly a rocket scientist now, are we?
glad to see that all of you, supposed, bloggers who try to have everyone believe that you actually care about your city, come on this site and literally blow away everything about this city so that everyone from anywhere gets a real sh-t feeling for YOUR OWN HOMETOWN- what a complete bunch of non-productive asses.
All in all, the potential developers I spoke to, and I think I met them all, were very impressed with Bristol. The enjoyed seeing ESPN, the world-wide leader in Sports programming, hearing about Lake Compounce with its 750,000 visitors per year, and about the campaign that Bristol leaders put on to bring Eastern Region Little league; which serves nineteen states, to Bristol.
They were impressed that ALL of the Bristol folks that were present were united, exited and enthusiastic about developing the heart of Bristol and creating a destination shopping and restaurant area that would attract from the 388,000 residents that live with a ten mile radius of the city. They were impressed that the Central Connecticut Chamber of Commerce was located adjacent to the property. I think that bolstered the belief that Bristol is truly the nucleolus of the region.
They were impressed at the level of community input that had received by the BDDC. Two of the developers I spoke with were impressed that unlike many cities trying to rebuild their downtown areas, Bristol actually owned and controlled the site it was trying to develop. Another was pleased that McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts were open to possible relocation or remodeling so the first two food service establishments were already available for discussions.
One mentioned that having the RFP, community input and the new downtown zoning regulations in hand would help them to be truly responsive to the needs and desires of the community.
It was an upbeat day for Bristol. No one noted any negatives; in fact I only heard good feedback.
It has become quite clear to many that Bristol has much to offer. It is always interesting that outsiders do not come here looking for the negative. They take a very optimistic and upbeat view of the community.
Thus I am led to conclude that the nattering nabobs of negativity that inhabit the blogosphere in Bristol are very much the minority.
The BDDC continues to market the seventeen acre “Depot Square” as the heart of a wonderful and innovative city. As volunteers we are constantly striving to put the best face of Bristol forward.
...The warm light of opportunity brings the dimwitted blog people stumbling out of the darkness of their lairs to pound their hairy chests and howl into the wind...
Let's just ignore them.
Franky ;
Do you actually expect anyone to believe that investors were NOT interested to discover whether or not Bristol had anything negative about it ????
Either you are attempting a public relations stunt , OR , you did NOT have an in depth communication w/ the possible investors , OR , you are LYING .
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I guess yet another possiblity does exist ......
The investors are idiots .
This is a very exciting time for Bristol...so many good things happening and so many possibilities! Now that the weather's warming up I'm starting to look forward to heading downtown to Blondies for a hot dog and then walking it off while looking at all those cool cars down at the car show...Bristol is coming back to life!
Frank, thanks for your update.
As for the 3:16 PM blogger, I presume you would prefer a school superintendent that did not believe in educating children, a park superintendent that hates nature, a neighbor that hates neighborhoods, a businessman that dislikes customers, a fisherman that cannot stand the taste of fish, and on and on and on...
Blogger 3:16, you must live a miserable existence.
Oh, by the way Frank, I love the windows at Walgreen’s. Keep up the good work, fight the good fight and as you call them, "the nattering nabobs of negativity" need to navigate out of Bristol.
Frank Johnson, did you tell these developers how you broke and bent the Zoning Regulations for Walgreens and held secret meetings and prevented the Building Inspector from doing his job and caved in to the cheap whims of the developer instead of the public?
Maybe that is why these developers seem to like Bristol so much, they know that they can get away practically anything.
The Depot Square developer meeting was a great success. Three people deserve great praise -- Mayor Ward, Frank Johnson and Dick Harrall, the executive director. Mayor Ward was superb. He was available, charming and supportive. Frank Johnson has an amazing breadth of historical knowledge of Bristol. Thank god he's willing to put so much effort into this project as a VOLUNTEER. Dick Harrall organized it very well.
Nobody on the BDDC is stupid. We have a challenging economy and a parcel not in the economic heart of Bristol. We're dealing with professional developers who are analyzing how they can develop the parcel profitably. THEY KNOW THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY OF BRISTOL. They will not spend millions without doing homework.
BDDC's job is to oil all the parts of government to let the developer know Bristol will HELP not HINDER the development process. To that end BDDC has held hearings, engaged proper legal counsel, hired a proper land use planner, engaged the state DECD, and coordinated city government.
The developers realized on Monday that they would get a "clean" site with supportive government. The meeting highlighted that. If federal, state, and local governments put new "infrastrucure" in place (e.g.streets, sewers, utilies), that value adheres to the developer's finished project. If they buy a raw piece of land somewhere else, they are not going to get this subsidy. The subsidy is the quid pro quo.
THE HARD PART OF BDDC'S JOB NOW BEGINS. We have the structure in place. Now we have to see what it harvests and make what will be some tough choices. These projects don't go in straight lines.
Tom Cosgrove
Vice Chairman, BDDC
Thanks to all, the BDDC, the mayor, the city council. Guess you've proved the naysayers wrong again...if everyone keeps pulling together we can keep Bristol moving forward!
April 2, 2008 11:25 PM Blogger
I am not a liar and the investors are not idiots.
Bear in mind that you are attacking me only because on the few occasions that I have posted on this blog, I am one of the few who prefers to use his name and be identified. I take responsibility for my entries and I know I will endure crap from you nameless cowards.
First, your ignorance about the Walgreens issue is only exceeded by your cowardly need to hide behind your anonymous postings.
Second you have your facts wrong. Talk to Guy Morin, and then talk to Alan Weiner. Stop rereading old Bristol Press articles and understand what actually took place.
Third, what I did mention at the public hearing on the new downtown zoning regulations the other night was that the ambiguity in the regulations relative to fenestration requirements and second floors had been addressed and erased so that there was no longer any ability for multiple interpretations.
I also mentioned on the public record and in a public meeting that Walgreen’s is the first national tenant to come anywhere near downtown Bristol in many years. I further said that I thought that they had been treated in a very shabby manner by some city officials and by nattering dopes like you that would rather keep beating a dead horse than by opening your eyes to see that Bristol has, and will continue to move into this millennium despite the negativity puked up by you and the other handful of nattering nabobs of negativity who inhabit blogland.
Get away from your keyboard and off your ass. Serve on a land use board for twenty years as a volunteer enduring the abuse that some people like to heap on volunteers. Keep a smile on, make sure the City doesn't get sued, be polite and endure it secure in the knowledge that despite your shortcomings, you are trying to do your best for the city you care about and the current and future generations who will live here.
I have never seen a paycheck with the City of Bristol Seal on it and I don’t expect I ever will. I have served on the Bristol Youth Commission, one Charter Revision panel, the zoning commission and now the BDDC. I cannot tell you how many times we held hearings where no one spoke for or against any project and yet no matter the outcome critics like you shoot off their big mouths about everything that happens in this city.
This city, despite the fact that you live in it, is improving by leaps and bounds. There are many things that are finally coming to fruition and the momentum is in our favor. I, for one, am grateful for the few hundred good volunteers in Bristol who share their time and talent, and endure the abuse of nameless cowards like you in order to make Bristol the best that it can be.
Now you and the other six whiners can have a ball parsing words and singling out phrases from this bolg entry. Drag out and repost all of the Walgreens stories yet again. Have a ball. But you cannot and will not change the city for the better because you are afraid to try, afraid to come out of hiding and afraid of being positive.
WOO-HOO BRISTOL SCORES!!!
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Thank you Mr. Johnson! - That might shut them up (at least for a little while).
Looks like someone is a bit thick headed .
People place suggestions and comments on this blog and get assaulted and ignored .
Maybe if some attempted to analyze what gets posted they could use it to improve Bristol .
Too bad so many with control have their minds set in concrete and are not willing to consider the possibility that someone else has an opinion of value .
signed ; nattering nabob of negativity
you get 'em Frank - you are 100% correct and I truly believe that there are more of you and me than there are of these whiners.
Dear Nattering:
Exactly where on this particular blog discussion do you see some negative comments or suggestions that could possibly "improve Bristol"???
Would that be the stimulating suggestion that Bristol get some "reel profesionals"? Perhaps the comment about the investors being "scared off by the body drop", or maybe the thought provoking comment about the "street trash hanging around"?
For someone's opinion to be of any value, it first of all must be CONSTRUCTIVE. Someone shooting their mouth off without stopping to first engage their brain is doing nothing more than nattering.
a whole lot of "nattering" going on here - for sure.
When is the circus going to come to town.
6:07
Its Here!
I optimistic with what the developers will come up with. Our city has a lot to offer. There are many possibilities for our future.
Bristol need not suffer from a self-esteem issue!
So Frank Johnson is calling Steve Collins, Jackie Majerus, and the Hartford Courant guy liars. Because what they reported is very different from the story Frank Johnson is telling us about Wallgreen's.
Being inaccurate and lying aren't quite the same thing...or is that too nuanced a distinction for you?
...12:29 - Who gives a rat's behind about Walgreen's windows? Bristol's future is looking brighter than ever. Why not focus on the positive?
I really like Walgreen's windows.
Frank,
You boast of your service (with no compensation) on a "land use board" for 20 years. You should be able to take a little criticism and some negative comments on a silly blog without having to go on a 500 word (give or take) diatribe.
I served on a land use board for 5 years. It was an interesting and rewarding experience. I stated my opinions (right or wrong), listened to the Planner, other members of the board, citizens of Bristol and the applicants. Volunteering is not always rewarding, and politics certainly attribute to who serves on these boards in many cases.
While it was a wonderful thing to tear the former building down and replace it in the parcel on Main and South Streets, your "meeting" with the developer was improper and raised eyebrows. The benefits of having Walgreens on that corner is debatable at best. So again, show your stature and accept your criticism and impress me.
If you must answer these criticisms do so in a short, concise manner because long-winded opinions bore me and I will not read them fully.
( Yawn )
DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE NAMES OR IS IT GEORGE CARPENTER OR WHO. WASIT JUST A FREE LUNCH FOR CITY OFFICIALS.
(Yawn) The naysayers are at it again (or should I say still)
Walgreens windows! Nattering nabobs! Walgreens windows! Nattering nabobs! Walgreens windows! Nattering nabobs!
How come in Waterbury the Naugatuck Valley Mall was torn down and a bristling new development took it's place with no burden to the tax-payer?
That's my problem with this whole debacle. If that makes me a "naysayer" so be it.
You (Naysayer)+ are the debacle. Ho Hum !!!
Even find fault on here ! Get a job !!!
"We will have a selection by July"
Is Russo in charge of the BDDC now?
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