March 13, 2008

Firehouse fixups to cost $13 million

Story by reporter Jackie Majerus:

Updating and expanding four of the city's firehouses would cost about $13 million, consultants told fire commissioners Wednesday.
The consultants from the architectural firm Kaestle Boos Associates said the firehouses on Hill Street, Church Avenue, Vincent P. Kelly Road and Mix Street are mostly cramped quarters with limited parking and other issues that could be addressed by expansions at each site.
For an additional $4.7 million, they said, the city could add a new training facility and a "burn building" for exercises.
Fire Chief Jon Pose said the firehouses lack energy efficiency and have "tired" mechanical, electrical and furnace systems. None has air conditioning, he said.
"These buildings have reached the end of their usable life," said Pose.
Sleeping quarters and restrooms aren't private, Pose said.
"There's no facilities for female firefighters," said Pose. "All of our firehouses share those same problems."
The new designs show separate bedrooms for individual firefighters, said Pose, and additional space for more personnel "if that ever happens."
Currently, the city has just one firehouse that can take its largest truck, according to Pose. He said the trend in firefighting equipment is for larger, wider and taller trucks.
"They barely fit now in any of our firehouses," said Pose.
Kaestle Boos, hired a year ago to evaluate the condition of four of the city's firehouses, gave an estimate of $2.6 million to double the size of Engine Co. No. 2 on Hill Street.
"It is a snug site," said Jim Sperry of Kaestle Boos, with limited parking but good sight lines and only minor drainage issues.
Engine Co. No. 3 on Church Avenue is the tightest spot of all, according to Sperry, who said it is also a challenging location.
Dave King of Kaestle Boos proposed a second story addition to the Church Avenue firehouse that would more than double the space there. He said it would cost about $3.1 million.
On Vincent P. Kelly Road, Engine Co. No. 4 has available land, King said. He said the firehouse is using only a little more than half of its 2.2 acre property, while a huge sand storage facility takes up the rest.
"We need to address the dome there," said Mayor Art Ward, who said the matter will be taken up soon with the public works department.
Kaestle Boos recommends more than doubling the size of that firehouse, a project they estimate would cost about $3.5 million.
Adding a "burn building" for training firefighters could be another $800,000 or more, the architects said, and a new training facility would push the cost up by another $3.7 million.
Lastly, at Engine Co. No. 5 on Mix Street, a high water table, poor storm drainage and heavy traffic are problems.
"It can certainly be a real challenge to get the trucks in and out," said Sperry.
Improvements to the Mix Street firehouse, the architects said, would more than double the space and carry a price tag of $3.8 million.
The consultants are expected to soon give a presentation on their findings and recommendations to city finance commissioners.

And a related story:
With the imminent move of CW Resources from its longtime Hill Street quarters to a large location on Broad Street, the city is eyeing the nonprofit’s current home for potential use by the Fire Department.
“They could use that building for something,” said city Councilor Cliff Block.
The old school building, which housed the South Chippin Hill School, is next door to the Engine 2 firehouse on Hill Street.
Fire Chief Jon Pose said he would be interested in the facility, though he’s not yet sure how the department could best use it.
“It’s available and it’s there,” Block said. “It’s not going to cost us anything.”
The Fire Department is preparing to overhaul all of its firehouses, including the central headquarters on North Main Street. Plans remain tentative.
Pose and Block said that the ultimate use for the old school on Hill Street probably would likely be settled as part of the overhaul process.
CW Resources, which provides employment to people with disabilities, has been in the 1,200-square-foot Hill Street building since 1974. It is moving this spring to Broad Street.
The existing building site began its civic life as a one-room school in 1755.
According to state records, the city spent $2,500 in 1914 to open a new rural school called South Chippins School, which apparently had two rooms and was open until 1936. The building, since remodeled, is owned by the city, which has leased it to CW Resources for the past 34 years.
Block said it appears the structure is in good shape.
He firehouse next door has long had a shortage of space, officials said, so gaining the extra property is bound to help.
City officials haven’t made any decisions about the property yet.


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22 comments:

Anonymous said...

If Chief Pose was not so equipment crazy with all the crap he has bought over the last five years, none of this would be necessary. He needs to be stopped or forced to retire. "Whoever has the most toys when they die wins," according to him. The FD doesn't need half the crap he has bought and desperately needs other stuff he refuses to get out of spite. Its all about Jon Pose, not about safety and firefighters.

Anonymous said...

Before you go accusing the Chief of being "equipment happy", why don't you find out if the new equipment over the last 5 years has been used. If it's been used even once, it was well worth the investment.

I doubt he ever said "Whoever has the most toys when they die wins," He takes fire safety very seriously. You seem to have a personal issue with him.

I for one think that it's about time we updated the houses.

AnonymousWestconnStudent said...

It doesn't need half the stuff they bought light the alarm system that was built in the 1890's. ok Gotcha..

Anonymous said...

The first poster may be a little personal but not too far off the mark. Ever hear the story of how he paid for ropes training last summer but never bought the ropes?

He is a strange duck and not exactly respected by the department. You don't have to like your boss but respect is essential and he does not command that all. They, almost to a man, literally despise him.

Anonymous said...

This is a very good example of "pay me now or pay me later"
We could have done the houses one by one over the years, but people like Nicastro, and now Rimcoski do not want to spend any money until they can hide it behind borrowing and bonding.

The schools are a similar example.

No one wants to spend money, but like with our own property, we do have to keep it up.

Thankfully over the past few years the need was recognized and eventually we will catch up.

Anonymous said...

AnonymousWestconnStudent said...
It doesn't need half the stuff they bought light the alarm system that was built in the 1890's. ok Gotcha..


Your comment doesn't make any sense. The alarm system from over 100 years ago that tied a direct line from businesses & churches to the fire dept was discontinued back in 2003.

Anonymous said...

Taking the former school house for storage of equipment is a good idea and would be a better passive use for the neighbors than the constant in and out of the CW trucks and cars.

Anonymous said...

Amen to the Nicastro years shoving it up our butts. There are days I believe he just continues to kick around to ensure no one talks bad about him or spits on his legacy.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Frank Nicastro

Anonymous said...

Frank Nicastro was also the mayor who named Pose the chief.

Anonymous said...

Frank had no choice and Frank also knew that he was leaving.

Pose has "bought" so much equipment because Basile bought nothing.

Anonymous said...

I know that our firehouses are old and need updating, but I am confused at why the bill is so much. Is new commercial or industrial building space being built for $600 - $700 per square foot?

This is not something I want corners cut on, considering it is a safety and quality of life issue, but the price to make these improvements seems awfully high.

Again, I am no trying to bad mouth the project, but a little clarification or explanation for the high cost would be appreciated.

Anonymous said...

I am disgusted at how much the fire dept. gets and spends. If they are lacking facilities its because the leadership mispent money on salaries. do we really need this many firemen on staff? its crazy. how many hours does the average fireman actually work each week?

Anonymous said...

Cockayne wants to build ANOTHER Fire house:
16 more firefighters...
more equipment...
5-7 million to build...

Ken, how are you keeping taxes down?

Go back to the suggestion from last year that he city buy Chic Miller, build there, store equipment there, use the downtown site for economic development.

Anonymous said...

Be careful with this.

Union members can not be held accountable. Remember, they built this city, they keep us all safe, they raise our children, they do everything and we should feel lucky to have them. Without them we would have nothing at all. We would be nothing.

Just trying to give you a fair warning before all the union guys come bashing away and taking credit for everything good in our city.

Anonymous said...

"thank god for the unions"?

whatever

Anonymous said...

Its expensive because they are retro-fitting existing buildings. Remodelling is always a lot more expensive then new construction.

Anonymous said...

I guess that the retro fitting additional cost would also hold true for school buildings, which are much older.

Anonymous said...

to 7:02 have you ever done anything.....for this city? I doubt if you did anything anonymously! I don't really just doubt that you didn't I'd bet my life on it.

Anonymous said...

DOA!

Anonymous said...

The republican naysayers are on here too. Must need a job !

Anonymous said...

If I could I'd tell these jerks omn here to stop there own house from burning !