tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post6529329457115049639..comments2023-06-30T07:39:20.662-04:00Comments on BRISTOLTODAY.COM: About signatures and petitionsSteve Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06316108296993240817noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-78815505435755160962008-07-28T12:48:00.001-04:002008-07-28T12:48:00.001-04:00How long before Ken Johnson steps up to take all t...How long before Ken Johnson steps up to take all the credit for this effort?<BR/><BR/>Or is he in one of his "absent" phases?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-74278873415789246452008-07-26T09:23:00.000-04:002008-07-26T09:23:00.000-04:009:31 AMYup, you nailed it on all counts.9:31 AM<BR/><BR/>Yup, you nailed it on all counts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-50786172751166453832008-07-26T09:00:00.000-04:002008-07-26T09:00:00.000-04:00"getting revenge on...uh...the guy who isn't mayor..."getting revenge on...uh...the guy who isn't mayor anymore at that point...uh..."<BR/><BR/>~ Uh...guess Kenny knows he doesn't stand the chance of a fart in a windstorm so the guy who's mayor now is probably going to be mayor again at that point...uh...duh...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-75035237058858112232008-07-26T07:40:00.000-04:002008-07-26T07:40:00.000-04:00Maybe Kenny is looking for someone to do the job w...Maybe Kenny is looking for someone to do the job while he collects his $100,000 each year for screwing up as he has in the past.<BR/><BR/>Another efoort at ripping off our city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-24455021381186053772008-07-26T06:33:00.000-04:002008-07-26T06:33:00.000-04:00If the COO was to pass are you "naysayers" going t...If the COO was to pass are you "naysayers" going to put the person picked on a referendum? That way the people can make sure it's what they want not what you want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-12482919971331724622008-07-25T23:10:00.000-04:002008-07-25T23:10:00.000-04:00Man, you really nailed Ken Johnson with that one, ...Man, you really nailed Ken Johnson with that one, big time. Yes, the real reason he's pushing so hard for the COO is simple revenge...he gets revenge on Art by weakening the mayor's power starting in 2009, which is the year he plans to BECOME the mayor, thereby getting revenge on...uh...the guy who isn't mayor anymore at that point...uh...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-3149113163207365112008-07-25T09:31:00.000-04:002008-07-25T09:31:00.000-04:00~ Will the proponents also fess up that the real r...~ Will the proponents also fess up that the real reason they're pushing so hard for the COO is simple revenge? I mean, these guys had trouble figuring out how to implement a petition. Do you honestly think that they have a clue about all of the laws and the ramifications of hiring a COO? If the COO somehow gets voted in, they get the last laugh and the City of Bristol gets stuck sorting through the legal technicalities and picking up a potentially huge tab ~ gee, thanks guys!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-3298623923397078572008-07-25T00:10:00.000-04:002008-07-25T00:10:00.000-04:00Chill. The basic questions will be answered by the...Chill. The basic questions will be answered by the proponents during the months leading up to the November election. If you aren't satisfied, vote "no". That's the way elections work.Odinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047474568437169458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-60763699550625939912008-07-24T18:58:00.000-04:002008-07-24T18:58:00.000-04:00"When will we get all the information, or atleast ..."When will we get all the information, or atleast the basic questions answered?"<BR/><BR/>Great question! That is exactly the problem. You can't get the answers because they don't exist! Nobody has sat down to figure out the many, many details of the proposed position and that is exactly why voting "yes" for the position at this point is a very dangerous thing. You're basically writing a blank check. The supporters should have all this figured out and on paper before asking "the populace" to vote on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-37339760528333519172008-07-24T17:14:00.000-04:002008-07-24T17:14:00.000-04:00When will we get all the information, or atleast t...When will we get all the information, or atleast the basic questions answered?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-6938725065852838502008-07-24T15:19:00.000-04:002008-07-24T15:19:00.000-04:00-Hey stupid, you don't just start a primary. One n...<I>-Hey stupid, you don't just start a primary. One needs to gather signitures from 5% of the registered voters in the prospective party.<BR/><BR/>July 23, 2008 9:58 PM </I><BR/><BR/>Hey Steve,<BR/><BR/>IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY? HOW OLD ARE ABUSIVE POSTERS LIKE THIS ANYWAY AND WHY DO YOU GIVE THEM A PLATFORM TO BE JERKS?<BR/><BR/>The point was that a primary process is very different than a petition process. Stop calling names.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-12589790030704216412008-07-24T12:55:00.000-04:002008-07-24T12:55:00.000-04:00"GM is failing because of unions! Same as Ford and..."GM is failing because of unions! Same as Ford and any other American car company that has to compete with a non-union company! Geez your parents must be in a union!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>You have got to be kidding me! That's why they are cutting the white collar jobs to keep out of bankruptcy.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Sure, there are people working to get the COO for the wrong reasons (wannabees who can't win an election), just as there are people working against it for the wrong reasons (union flacks and career politicians). Don't make a final judgement on the COO based on who likes it and who dislikes it. Make up your own mind based on the information."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I agree.AnonymousWestconnStudenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04025706063052738273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-74245931598522059762008-07-24T12:38:00.000-04:002008-07-24T12:38:00.000-04:00"Bottom line: I believe this proposal is being pus..."Bottom line: I believe this proposal is being pushed by those who can't win at the polls, can't work with the council to get their ideas passed and would rather blame "unions" and "hackery" than actually try and figure out the system."<BR/><BR/>Sure, there are people working to get the COO for the wrong reasons (wannabees who can't win an election), just as there are people working against it for the wrong reasons (union flacks and career politicians). Don't make a final judgement on the COO based on who likes it and who dislikes it. Make up your own mind based on the information.Odinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047474568437169458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-51184419210796824712008-07-24T07:21:00.000-04:002008-07-24T07:21:00.000-04:00AnonymousWestconnStudent - are you failing in scho...AnonymousWestconnStudent - are you failing in school? GM is failing because of unions! Same as Ford and any other American car company that has to compete with a non-union company! Geez your parents must be in a union!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-66830947910799397882008-07-23T22:18:00.000-04:002008-07-23T22:18:00.000-04:00"Do I think that the city clerk is pulling a fast ..."Do I think that the city clerk is pulling a fast one? No. I think she is doing her job. Sorry but I do"<BR/><BR/>anonwestconnfool:<BR/><BR/>You don't need to be sorry for being an idiot. It's OK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-12235384638385677832008-07-23T21:58:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:58:00.000-04:00"There was no petition or signatures to be verifie..."There was no petition or signatures to be verified. It was an election. July 23, 2008 9:13 PM"<BR/><BR/>-An example of more clueless-ness.<BR/><BR/>-Hey stupid, you don't just start a primary. One needs to gather signitures from 5% of the registered voters in the prospective party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-87288161883540172802008-07-23T21:44:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:44:00.000-04:00There are many people in this city who oppose the ...There are many people in this city who oppose the idea of a city manager. For reasons I am sure are as varied as those who support the idea. And yet someone reading this blog for the first time might think that all opposition is limited to the mayor, members of the city council, and the city clerk. <BR/><BR/>Do I think that the city clerk is pulling a fast one? No. I think she is doing her job. Sorry but I do. I'm sure many people worked very hard to know the rules but that doesn't mean that every collector did every thing correctly. People cut corners or forget to include a step or two when they are relaying information from a third party. It happens. <BR/><BR/>And frankly I resent that somehow city manager proponents can entitle themselves to a moral high ground because Craig Yarde claims the clerk is changing the rules. <BR/><BR/>With all due respect Craig Yarde is only presenting his view of the situation. And well frankly, he's whining about it. <BR/><BR/>For all the claims otherwise the clerk has the authority to require this. <BR/><BR/>This is not an issue of "the people" vs. "the machine." This is a debate and decision of all the people. Proponents and Opponents. Everyone gets a say, and everyone gets the same say. <BR/><BR/>If you are mad that Mr. Ward and Rimcoski did not vote for it at the council meeting, oh well. That is their right to do. That they signed the petitions anyway is also their right. Both individuals do not support the concept yet wanted the people to decide anyway. <BR/><BR/>To claim that all this is somehow part of a grand conspiracy is an insult to the people and to our democracy. To me all the claims of dirty politcs say is that when you can't get what you want just tear the system apart. <BR/><BR/>But sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Regardless of the outcome you pick up and get ready for the next issue. That's democracy. <BR/><BR/>For the record I oppose the city manager for the following reasons: <BR/>1. The person is not elected and can not be removed by the people at election. <BR/>2. The city manager does not have to listen to us. <BR/>3. I believe that people who want business to run like government forget that business can be just as inefficient as government. Don't believe me check out General Motors. <BR/>4. The office is highly vunerable to internal corruption (i.e. a reward system for political bosses) <BR/>5. It is much harder than it is on paper to distinguish betweem policymaking (the council) and administration (the manager). In many cases the manager ends up doing both. City managers do not necessairly end up above the political fray. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Bottom line: I believe this proposal is being pushed by those who can't win at the polls, can't work with the council to get their ideas passed and would rather blame "unions" and "hackery" than actually try and figure out the system. <BR/><BR/>But that is just my belief and at the end of the day if this ends up on the ballot my opposition to it will come from the position itself and not the people who support it.AnonymousWestconnStudenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04025706063052738273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-45700305719313921992008-07-23T21:34:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:34:00.000-04:00hard to believe that the signatures were gotten an...hard to believe that the signatures were gotten and the gatherers of the petitions still aren't happy - is it because their time trying to seem worth while has passed or is it because no one threw them a parade - get a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-19474218535372153142008-07-23T21:33:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:33:00.000-04:00WE really haven't seen what this Charter change wo...WE really haven't seen what this Charter change would do: many many questions have not been answered.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully the people will not buy a pig in the pokeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-37648828277430997872008-07-23T21:18:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:18:00.000-04:00Who is to say that the City Clerk did not instruct...Who is to say that the City Clerk did not instruct some of the petition leadership?<BR/><BR/>Don't jump to conclusions.<BR/><BR/>You have one person who certainly has not been up front with the city and taxpayers regarding his contract with the city.<BR/><BR/>You have another person who has a less than stellar reputation, and you have a third who while new to the business, still will not listen to those more experienced and prbably knowledgeable.<BR/><BR/>Throw in a couple of political hacks and you have a recipe for disaster.<BR/><BR/>Is the media doing any objective investigation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-78870783503442675952008-07-23T21:13:00.000-04:002008-07-23T21:13:00.000-04:00"Did anyone check the authenticity of the signatur...<I>"Did anyone check the authenticity of the signatures and petitions gathered to force a primary between Mayor Back-Ward and the honorable Ellen Zoppo</I><BR/><BR/>There was no petition or signatures gathered for the primary. There was an endorsement by the DTC and then a primary between Art and Ellen. There was no petition or signatures to be verified. It was an election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-37147802880642245912008-07-23T20:58:00.000-04:002008-07-23T20:58:00.000-04:00"Hopefully the people of BRistol will resoudly pas..."Hopefully the people of BRistol will resoudly pass this proposal and shove it down Ward and Rimcoski's throats."<BR/><BR/>Once again, the motivation for the drive behind the petition comes to light ~ a bunch of angry politicians looking for revenge with the City of Bristol picking up the tab for their foolishness. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully, the people of Bristol will see through their charade and shut these comedians down for good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-87619369309185370022008-07-23T20:36:00.000-04:002008-07-23T20:36:00.000-04:00"Did anyone check the authenticity of the signatur..."Did anyone check the authenticity of the signatures and petitions gathered to force a primary between Mayor Back-Ward and the honorable Ellen Zoppo?"<BR/><BR/>--Good point! That is also proof that Pac is a politcal hackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-55083686159781159242008-07-23T20:24:00.000-04:002008-07-23T20:24:00.000-04:00Craig:Time to hire a lawyer and sue this low-tide-...Craig:<BR/><BR/>Time to hire a lawyer and sue this low-tide-leftover city gov't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811616037332448221.post-49895424445729440022008-07-23T19:36:00.000-04:002008-07-23T19:36:00.000-04:00The Blight Nazi guy called it on day one . Ya gott...The Blight Nazi guy called it on day one . Ya gotta give him credit when he's soooooo right .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com